The Incredibles
On Saturday, I saw The Incredibles. Normally, I only see matinees or otherwise cheap showings, but I didn’t want to wait for this one, or see it in a theatre full of screaming children, so I actually paid full price. And I learned something: matinees are so expensive, there’s not much savings.
The Incredibles was a huge amount of fun. One of my reactions was that I’m not sure anyone should bother with live-action superhero movies. Despite the fine efforts of Spider-man and the X-Men, the superpowered fight scenes played much better computer-animated.
The other was: the makers of the Fantastic Four movie must be pissed.
The Incredibles: a super-powered family consisting of a big, strong guy, a stretchy person, a girl who can turn invisible and project force fields, and a hot-headed, impulsive boy with super-speed.
The FF: a super-powered family consisting of a big, strong guy, a stretchy person, a woman who can turn invisible and project force fields, and a hot-headed, impulsive young man who can set his body ablaze and fly.
You can’t help but notice this if you have any familiarity with the FF — while comics have lots of big, strong guys and stretchy people, there isn’t anything especially obvious about the confluence of invisibility and projecting force fields. And once you’ve noticed it, they almost seem to be deliberately twitting Marvel. The FF’s patriarch is Mr. Fantastic. The Incredibles’ is Mr. Incredible. One villain we see in the Incredibles bears a large similarity to one of the FF’s classic villains.
It’s nothing actionable, but it does mean that a lot of people seeing the FF movie will be thinking “hey, I’ve seen this before.”
I may have said this before on this very blog, but... I'm with you on the opinion that many comic stories should stay in the comics, or in a drawn medium.
Superhero costumes hardly ever manage to look as impressive on real people. Exaggerated anatomy works in the comics but looks grotesque on real humans. The epic science fiction/fantasy locations and special effects are often more believable, and certainly less expensive to create, when drawn or animated. And the traditional dialogue of comics, which can often be popmous or stilted or both, somehow works better when coming out of the mouth of a cartoon character.
I've always wanted to see an animated Fantastic Four movie. Looks like The Incredibles is it, for now.
Posted by Jimcat on November 9 2004 07:12
And what does it profit to gain a teensy subset of comic fans and lose the majority of moviegoers who don't care about any FF similarities? Seriously, Brad Bird isn't a comics fan, he wasn't thinking "FF," he was thinking "family dynamics." The father has to hold up the family by bringing home the bacon; the mother is stretched to her limits trying to keep things together; the daughter is shy and retiring; the son is a bundle of frenzied energy. Hope this helps.
Posted by Elayne Riggs on November 9 2004 09:50
er, did you read me as saying the Incredibles was deliberately trying to steal the FF movie's audience in advance? I didn't.
That doesn't mean it won't have an effect on the perceptions of the (still predominantly non-comics reader) audience of the FF movie.
Posted by Zed on November 9 2004 10:12
I would like to tell you about a group of superheros to see if you can guess who I am talking about. There is a group of four superheros that are a very close knit family. They are named after a superlative adjective. Their leader is called "Mister" and then the superlative adjective. One of their members has the power to turn invisible and create force fields. She is frequently asked to make force field bubbles to protect their team. Another member has the ability to stretch and will often squeeze between small spaces or take the shape of a ball or parachute. An additional member is known for his brute strength. The girl with powers of invisibilty has a brother on the team who is a young blonde kid who is often cocky and overconfident which frequently gets him into trouble. At one point, one of the family members exibits the ability to spontaneously burst into flames. The group is illustrated as very human and flawed. They frequently argue amongst themselves, and usually the person with the stretching powers is trying to break these fights up. They live in a large city but eventually find themselves trying to hide their identities in the suburbs. Two of the team members eventually get married and have a baby. At first they believe that the baby has no super powers and often have to leave their baby with a babysitter while they fight crime. They eventually discover that their child has the awesome power to do virtually anything. Their arch ememy is a evil man that has known the leader for a long time and holds a deep resentment towards him because of an event many years ago. He has no super powers but is a master of technology. He wears a mask, bracelets that shoot powerful beams of energy, and boots that allow him to levatate. He also builds multiple robots to attack the foursome. The first time that the team actually forms and establishes themselves, they are attacked by a crazed man wearing dark glasses who lives underground and burrows up to the middle of the city to attack them. Of course it would be obvious to anyone that I am talking about the new Pixar movie "The Incredibles". It is also an exact description of the Fantastic Four. I have been a fan of the Fantastic Four since I was seven years old. I own copies of every single Fantastic Four comic book ever made. I read these comics to my seven year old son on a regular basis and have been trying to psyche him up for the upcoming Fantasic Four movie. After sitting through the Incredibles my little boy turned to me and said "There is no way that the Fantastic Four movie is going to be better than THAT". The Incredibles was a very good movie. It was also incredibly obvious that is was stolen intellectual property. Marvel Comics definately deserves at least a portion of what was made from that movie.
Posted by Michael Guyer on November 15 2004 23:08
True, Marvel could try to sue Pixar. Unfortunately, their IP team has its collective hands full suing NCSoft & Crypic Studios because it is possible to create characters in City of Heroes uncomfortably close to Marvel properties.
Strikes me like suing Craola because they crayons can be used to draw Spidey.
Of course, if Marvel were to give it a go, well, they're trading at 17.7. Could be cheaper to just buy them.
Posted by Marlin on November 19 2004 20:04
"And once you’ve noticed it, they almost seem to be deliberately twitting Marvel. The FF’s patriarch is Mr. Fantastic. The Incredibles’ is Mr. Incredible."
That plus his wife is ElastiGirl and Sue Richards spent most of her career as the Invisible Girl, while Violet a shrinking violet/wallflower has Sue's powers making her literally an invisible girl.
Posted by M on November 30 2004 08:22
How wonderful it is! Today, I had seen the film - "The Incredibles" this afternoon, My father also had seen this film in this evening. This cartoon movie is powered by Disney Company.
In this film, I love the people's sensation, scene, bugbears. The scene is so sublime.
With the great imagination.
Posted by Creford on March 11 2005 02:16