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Torcon panel on For Us, the Living

I'm not at Torcon, but this report is just in from Jimcat, MemeMachineGo!'s correspondent in the field. Take it away, Jim.

These are some notes from a panel that was held at Torcon this afternoon on the subject of the rediscovered Heinlein novel, For Us, the Living.

The novel was written in late 1938 and early 1939, and was labeled as "Opus 1" in the Heinlein archives at UC Santa Cruz. However, no physical copy of the manuscript had been found for many years. The trail was picked up by Bill Patterson, who had been given permission by Virginia Heinlein to write Robert Heinlein's biography. He and Robert James, of the Heinlein Society, decided to start looking for copies of the manuscript among friends of Heinlein, to whom he might have sent a copy for review.

Mr. James found a trace of it in the estate of L. Sprague DeCamp, who unfortunately was near the end of his life when James examined his archives and was too ill to answer the inquiries personally. Examination of DeCamp's archives showed that DeCamp had gotten a copy of the manuscript from Heinlein for review in 1938 and held onto it for quite some time. In the 1990's, DeCamp gave his copy to Leon Stover, who had originally been authorized to write Heinelein's biography but later had a falling-out with Mrs. Heinlein. Stover's notes for his unfinished biography indicated that he had a copy of the manuscript.

Finally, James tracked the manuscript to Stover's assistant, who had received DeCamp's original 1939 carbon copy of Heinlein's typescript -- and then kept it in a box in his garage for ten years! James asked, "May I please make a copy of this?" and the assistant said, "Sure, go ahead!" Apparently it had never occurred to the man that anyone might actually want to read the thing.

So, acting on behalf of the Heinlein Society, James turned over the typescript to Heinlein's literary heirs -- the Heinlein Trust, which was established by Virginia Heinlein to award prizes for writing that promoted the commercialization of space. The trust sold the manuscript to Scribner's, and it will be published later this year. The panelists said that you could pre-order it on Amazon now, although I was unable to find a listing. But it should be on the bookstore shelves by Thanksgiving.

The book itself is, by some people's descriptions, not really a "novel" per se. Spider Robinson described it as a thinly fictionalized series of lectures. It shows a basic ignorance of the conventions of fiction writing, which is probably why it was never published in its original form. But parts of it were apparently recycled over Heinlein's writing career, as some of the concepts and plot elements appeared in works such as the Future History cycle and Beyond This Horizon.

Robinson would definitely not recommend it so someone who's never read Heinlein before, but all the panelists agreed that it should be a treasure for longtime fans of his work. It provides a good illustration of the evolution of his writing style and philosophy, and the Heinlein Society representatives drew parallels to the publication of Mark Twain's Letters From the Earth, which sparked off a new cycle of Twain scholarship and publication of previously unreleased material. The agent for Heinlein's works mentioned that there were a few other pieces of Heinlein material in the publication pipeline, including "all of his umpublished non-fiction".

On another side note of Heinlein trivia, I asked Robert James what he knew about Heinlein's first marriage. (James is the foremost authority on Heinlein's second wife -- commonly thought to be his first -- Leslyn MacDonald, and uncovered the first clues while researching that marriage.) He said that Heinlein's first wife was a woman from Kansas City whom he married shortly after graduating from the Naval Academy. This woman didn't want to be a "Navy wife", and refused to travel with him, so apparently there never was much of a marriage other than on paper. They divorced in the early 1930's, and the woman re-married a few years later, then moved away from Kansas City and dropped from the public record. James told me the woman's name, but I've forgotten it. At any rate, the information will be in Bill Patterson's biography, but that is only about half finished at this time, so it may be another three or four years before it sees publication.

All of the fans in the room when For Us, The Living was discussed seemed quite enthusiastic about the novel and any other Heinlein material that might be released. It looks as though Heinlein, like so many other creative types, may enjoy a long and successful posthumous career.

Thanks, Jim!

Updated 10/15/2003: Robert James submitted these corrections in the comments:

Unfortunately, this report contains a number of incorrect statements, the most erroneous of which is that L. Sprague de Camp did NOT have a copy of the novel, nor is he the source for it.

Neither Bill nor I were looking for copies among Heinlein's friends, either.

I found reference to it in some papers that de Camp had, which led me to Michael Hunter.

I never looked through Hunter's garage -- he mailed a copy to me.

Finally, the novel does NOT show a "basic ignorance of the conventions of fiction writing" -- it's a novel, although one in a mode of fiction we don't see much of any more: the social utopia.

Comments

Question:

You all seem like knowledgebale sci-fi fans - what would you recommend as the top ten sci-fi books to read, to someone who's only read a few authors (phillip dick, rudy rucker, gibson)?

Is this for you personally? What's the purpose? Simply to find new books you'll enjoy? To get a better feel for what science fiction is, or what modern science fiction is? Do you want original thinking about the future? Ripping good yarns? Fine prose? Other?

If it's for you personally and you're looking for other things you'll enjoy, I'll suggest, off the top of my head:

_Distractions_, Bruce Sterling
_Cryptonomicon_, Neal Stephenson (not really sf... it's set about a week in the future)
_Blue Champagne_, John Varley
_The Player of Games_, Iain Banks
_Stations of the Tide_, Michael Swanwick
_Perdido Street Station_, China Mieville (again not really sf... set in a fantasy world but written with a science fictional tone)
_Stories of Your Life and Others_, Ted Chiang
_Stand on Zanzibar_, John Brunner
_Strange Things in Close-Up_, Howard Waldrop (out of print. Substitute _Night of the Cooters_ or _Going Home Again_ if they're easier to find.)
_The Selected Stories of Theodore Sturgeon_, Theodore Sturgeon

If Charles Stross' Accelerando series were both finished and in book form, it'd definitely be on the list.

I posted this list to Usenet... whew, more than a decade ago. But I still think the recommendations hold up.

Asimov, Isaac: _I, Robot_. Story collection which defined SF's view of robots for decades afterwards.

Asimov, Isaac: _Foundation_. The classic "novel of ideas", and also the archetype for many galactic-empire settings.

Burroughs, Edgar Rice: _A Princess of Mars_. Pulp, yes, but very influential pulp.

Clarke, Arthur C.: It's hard to single out only a few of his books, but I'd probably go with _The City and the Stars_, _Childhood's End_ and the story collection _The Nine Billion Names of God_. The greatest of the "sense of wonder" writers.

Gibson, William: _Neuromancer_. The book that launched the "cyberpunk" movement and brought SF into the Information Age.

Heinlein, Robert A.: _The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_. Generally regarded as his best work.

Heinlein, Robert A.: _The Past Through Tomorrow_. Collection of stories and short novels which make up his "future history". Set a standard for extrapolation of technological and social conditions from the present into the far future.

Heinlein, Robert A.: _Stranger in a Strange Land_. A look at humanity through alien eyes, this brings the tradition of social satire into the modern SF world.

Niven, Larry: _Ringworld_. The first and best of the "explore the megastructure" novels; takes engineering to its ultimate limits.

Stapledon, Olaf: _Star Maker_. SF takes on not just the Universe, but the infinity of all possible universes, and the Creator itself.

Wells, H.G.: Almost all of his science fiction had a great influence on the field. Certainly the best known is _The War of the Worlds_.

Verne, Jules: _From the Earth to the Moon_. An early example of "hard" SF, where physical laws and their consequences are central to the book, rather than plot or character. Verne's style influenced many of the SF writers of the following century.

This is just what I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure I missed some important ones, as others will no doubt point out.

"Is this for you personally? What's the purpose? Simply to find new books you'll enjoy? To get a better feel for what science fiction is, or what modern science fiction is? Do you want original thinking about the future? Ripping good yarns? Fine prose? Other?"

Just for my reading pleasure. Thanks. Nice to have some good reading suggestions for the coming winter months.

Zed: it is *not* a done deal yet, but the novel I'm currently writing a formal proposal and synopsis about (for my editor at Ace, for publication in 2005 if they decide to buy it) is ... "Accelerando".

Well, seeing as how Zed mentioned Charlie Stross, I was just going to post here about a review that I read of his novel The Atrocity Exhibition, which is scheduled to come out in book form next year. I'll be eagerly looking forward to it.

And then, lo and behold, the author himself posts. Gotta love the blog world.

By the way, Charlie, I saw you on a panel at Worldcon and was impressed with your knowledge and insight. There's just one question that I've been dying to ask you since then...

What's with that hair?

Unfortunately, this report contains a number of incorrect statements, the most erroneous of which is that L. Sprague de Camp did NOT have a copy of the novel, nor is he the source for it.

Neither Bill nor I were looking for copies among Heinlein's friends, either.

I found reference to it in some papers that de Camp had, which led me to Michael Hunter.

I never looked through Hunter's garage -- he mailed a copy to me.

Finally, the novel does NOT show a "basic ignorance of the conventions of fiction writing" -- it's a novel, although one in a mode of fiction we don't see much of any more: the social utopia.

Given how quickly information disseminates around the web, I would appreciate corrections being made to the original post, rather than simply posting this response.

Fair enough?

Robert James, Ph.D.

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